Posts by raymond frantz

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Ruining the Earth2.0

by peacefulpete in

few years ago i did a thread that i hope has helped some folks.

maybe it is time to 'recycle' it.. did the writer of rev 11:18 (ruin those who ruin the earth) somehow anticipate the modern environmental situation, or did he intend something more in keeping with the bible's general concerns of morality and sin?.

secondly, how does the context help to interpret it?.

raymond frantz

One theory goes that the black ash created by a nuclear explosion would cool temperatures at the Earth’s surface, resulting in less temperature difference between the lower and upper atmosphere. Rainfall would drastically decline and thrust large regions across the globe into drought.

But I'm more inclined to believe that God will cause the draught like in Elijah's days.

'The skies over your head will be copper, and the earth beneath you, iron. 24 Jehovah will make the rain of your land powder and dust that will come down on you from the heavens until you have been annihilated." (Deu.28:23,24)

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Ruining the Earth2.0

by peacefulpete in

few years ago i did a thread that i hope has helped some folks.

maybe it is time to 'recycle' it.. did the writer of rev 11:18 (ruin those who ruin the earth) somehow anticipate the modern environmental situation, or did he intend something more in keeping with the bible's general concerns of morality and sin?.

secondly, how does the context help to interpret it?.

raymond frantz

Vidgun, spot on I do not dismiss nuclear exchange, the lack of rain in the last 3 1/2 years might allude to a previous nuclear exchange

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Ruining the Earth2.0

by peacefulpete in

few years ago i did a thread that i hope has helped some folks.

maybe it is time to 'recycle' it.. did the writer of rev 11:18 (ruin those who ruin the earth) somehow anticipate the modern environmental situation, or did he intend something more in keeping with the bible's general concerns of morality and sin?.

secondly, how does the context help to interpret it?.

raymond frantz

Pete, oh I see where you're coming from, no I went the exact opposite way, I believe that Revelation is far more stranger and apocalyptic than jws believe it to be.

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Ruining the Earth2.0

by peacefulpete in

few years ago i did a thread that i hope has helped some folks.

maybe it is time to 'recycle' it.. did the writer of rev 11:18 (ruin those who ruin the earth) somehow anticipate the modern environmental situation, or did he intend something more in keeping with the bible's general concerns of morality and sin?.

secondly, how does the context help to interpret it?.

raymond frantz

@ Vidqun

This is the commonly held position of jw teaching that "men" have been polluting the earth since 1914, whereas the verse in Revelation 11:18 speaks about a specific destruction taking place during the last 3 1/2 years.

Also my reasoning is based on the fact that the verse divides humans in groups : Nations (=unbelievers) and the holy ones(=believers).The way the verse is structured leaves the "destroyers of the earth" as a 3rd distinct group.

Interestingly , the concept of the fallen angels destroying the earth during the End Times has been popularised by films and books in recent years. I recommend you watch "Captive State" on Amazon Prime or "Colony".

(* yes I'm a firm believer that the powers to be are familiarising us now using these media about these future destressing events now.

And yes, Revelation is sci-fi beyond your imagination )

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Ruining the Earth2.0

by peacefulpete in

few years ago i did a thread that i hope has helped some folks.

maybe it is time to 'recycle' it.. did the writer of rev 11:18 (ruin those who ruin the earth) somehow anticipate the modern environmental situation, or did he intend something more in keeping with the bible's general concerns of morality and sin?.

secondly, how does the context help to interpret it?.

raymond frantz

Pete, You said:"Go consult with your Greek professor. Better yet get yourself a good novel and step away from the apocalypse stuff for a while."

It's OK, but you still haven't answered Revelation 8:9 about ships physical objects being "diaphiro"

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Ruining the Earth2.0

by peacefulpete in

few years ago i did a thread that i hope has helped some folks.

maybe it is time to 'recycle' it.. did the writer of rev 11:18 (ruin those who ruin the earth) somehow anticipate the modern environmental situation, or did he intend something more in keeping with the bible's general concerns of morality and sin?.

secondly, how does the context help to interpret it?.

raymond frantz

@ peacefulpete

This is a forum, you post your diatribe and people are allowed to commend on it. Maybe a little humility won't go amiss, if you don't like people challenging your thesis do not post.

You will find me on jw updates channel on a weekly basis reading from original Greek Koini and commenting on it, I'm pretty sure you are proficient enough to do the same.

By the way, can you also explain to me how the word dia-pthiro is used also in the book of Revelation to describe destroyed ships? Are they destroyed morally?

Revelation 8:9

"A third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed(=diapthiro)

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Ruining the Earth2.0

by peacefulpete in

few years ago i did a thread that i hope has helped some folks.

maybe it is time to 'recycle' it.. did the writer of rev 11:18 (ruin those who ruin the earth) somehow anticipate the modern environmental situation, or did he intend something more in keeping with the bible's general concerns of morality and sin?.

secondly, how does the context help to interpret it?.

raymond frantz

@enoughisenough ,the 7 year period is based on Daniel 9:27 that describes the final week, the seven-year tribulation period: “[A ruler](=the Antichrist) will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.” Jesus refers to this passage in Matthew 24:15. The ruler who confirms the covenant and then sets up the abomination is called “the beast” in Revelation 13. According to Daniel 9:27, the beast’s covenant will be for seven years, but in the middle of this week (3 ½ years into the tribulation), the beast will break the covenant, putting a stop to the Jewish sacrifices. Revelation 13 explains that the beast will place an image of himself in the temple and require the world to worship him. Revelation 13:5 says that this will go on for 42 months, which is 3 ½ years (the second half of the tribulation).

This is not a jw teaching but that's what most mainstream Christian escatologists believe today. I hope that helps...

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Ruining the Earth2.0

by peacefulpete in

few years ago i did a thread that i hope has helped some folks.

maybe it is time to 'recycle' it.. did the writer of rev 11:18 (ruin those who ruin the earth) somehow anticipate the modern environmental situation, or did he intend something more in keeping with the bible's general concerns of morality and sin?.

secondly, how does the context help to interpret it?.

raymond frantz

Fellow exjw here, I'm of Greek origin and studied 3 years ancient Greek language in college I also run the JW UPDATES youtube channel.Great research and explanation. This verse always fascinated me but there was something about the Watchtower's explanation that never added up for me.Let me explain.The verb dia-pthiro (=thoroughly + corrupt) is used for both symbolic and physical corruption in the New Testament. SYMBOLIC :διεφθαρμένοι τόν νοῦν, 1 Timothy 6:5, corrupt in the mind, or deprived LITERAL:Luke 12:33 GRK: οὐδὲ σὴς διαφθείρει, describing a physical treasure being destroyed What about Revelation 11:18, is it literal or symbolic? In thus case what is being corrupted defines its meaning. The EARTH is being corrupted.In the book of Revelation 2 words are used for the word earth γῆ=gé (=the physical earth) AND oikoumeni(= the inhabited earth). In this verse the first is used γῆ=gé is used so the corruption is done on the actual Phyisical planet. Now it gets even more strange and interesting, WHO is corrupting the earth, several groups are mentioned are mentioned and excluded in the verse.The nations (=the un-redeemed people)The deadYour servants the prophets The people who revere your name, both great and smallSInce in the book of Revelation the people are divided to those who serve God and those who don't that pretty much covers all human kind Which leaves us with the "THOSE"Who are destroying the PLANET EARTH ,or as the ESV renders it:"for destroying the destroyers of the earth.”I believe them to be Satan and his fallen angels that are thrown down to earth in the last 3 1/2 years of the Great Tribulation and they only entities that can harm the planet thoroughly in ways that remains to be seen.

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2023-01-27--Civil Unrest!

by Atlantis in

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2023-01-27--civil unrest.

click image to enlarge.. .

https://postimg.cc/gxqvnfcq.

raymond frantz

Thanks Atlantis, much appreciated, I wish more elders were like you

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This week's Watchtower Study - don't complain if ...

by eyeslice in

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don't complain if you get kicked out of bethel after 23 years (it's really a blessing to be assigned back to the field) and don't complain if they sell your kingdom hall even if you have just invested your time and energy renovating it.. so encouraging?.

raymond frantz

https://youtu.be/MUFKHvk7Gwo